He shares most of his passion with other gun enthusiasts here on Sniper Country. .22 LR? An ammunition company who advertised the caliber said there was no way they could get brass (so why list it damn it?). Experienced shootists learned this oh-so-long-ago with the .22-250. gun). A heavier bullet delivers greater energy upon impact at the expense of faster bullet drop which is nothing skilled marksmanship can not accommodate. This cartridge is usually used for small game such as varminting, and used for animals as large as deer. It features low recoil and muzzle blast, making it an excellent choice for those just starting out with shooting at long distances. Your email address will not be published. The G3, FAL, etc werent even 2MOA rifles. In short, you would do well to use one rifle for varmint hunting and another for deer. 3389. But I noticed that you do not hear much about people using a model 70. The M14s and M1As that were made with TRW parts are high quality guns, built from forged, heat-treated steel and walnut, unlike the stamped sheet metal of their peers of the era. Olympic Arms produced their first .243 WSSM production rifle in 2004 and included production models in their 2005 catalog. I do have exceptions. It will last a long time. This is a substantial improvement in having a semi-automatic rifle that can shoot flatter than the .300 and has less recoil compared to the .308 AR-10/SR-25, mounted on an AR-15 lower. The overwhelming complaint expressed about this round was how hard it fed or failed to feed. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Another caliber bullet? You should choose the bullet for the bore diameter you have by one criterion: the highest possible Bc (G1 or G7) you can find. After serving in the military, Beau got himself even more guns. Twist Rate's Impact on Ballistics I took it home cleaned/lubed her up and tomarrow will be range time. First, the design of the magazine provides uniform tension on the cartridge from three sides: from the bottom, and from feed lips on each side. Not exactly new. It is capable of accurate shooting at long range, and is commonly used in long-range competitions. The .458 and .50 Beowulf have a nice short range thump, and the 6.5 Grendel is a respectable long range round, particularly out of an 18, 20 or 24 stainless barrel. z . . Thank you for that information. 6mm Bench Rest Remington. One interesting thing is that the .243 WSSM load data I've seen keeps it limited to 2.260", even though SAAMI appears to be 2.360"..25 WSSM load data shows a lot of 2.350" COLs. Achieve success with the long range hunting book series . Your email address will not be published. For 1000m supersonic a 107gn Sierra MK in a 6.5mm BR launched at a moderate 2700fps would easily get there even in fairly dense air. envisioned its .244 as a long-range varmint/predator cartridge, and as such it offered factory ammunition loads of 75 and 90 grains. I dont get it. Out of Stock. In order to get the OAL down to be the same as the 5.56/.223, the shoulder will need to be bumped back and the neck possibly trimmed a bit. A ATH Call me when a box of ammo doesnt cost more than filling up my wifes SUV. The 243 Winchester Super Short Magnum or 243 WSSM is a rifle cartridge introduced in 2003. Dan I wish Tubb woulda stuck a polymer tip into that bullet and made it a bit more terminal friendly. Can .243 Win Be Used for Long-Range Shooting? A look at 243 Ballistics with information for some of the most popular 243 Winchester ammo loads available in the United States. focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. . You may have heard that one of the reasons the .243 WSSM withered on the vine was that it burned up barrels too fast. powder burnt in percent. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This weight is more appropriate for whitetail deer and other small-medium sized game. Nosler ballistic tip vs. a 165gr. http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/ammunition/rifle-ammunition%7C/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104532480/winchester-reg-ballistic-silvertip-174-rifle-ammunition/739976.uts. [7] The 243 WSSM gives generally a 10% increase in velocity over the 243 Win. you may have it, I have shot Various calibers at long range for years, basically to keep and maintain accuracy most barrels were changed at 1200 rounds! Pull up a .308 round with a old-school hunting bullet (eg, Nosler Partition) and then look at the new, very slick hunting bullets with higher Bcs. But generally, this hunting rifle ranges around 600 - 800 yards for successfully hitting a whitetail deer. The trigger on the Garand or M1A could be made very nice by a competent gunsmith. . IMHO, those are kinda on the upper end of the necessary case capacity and generate unnecessarily strong recoil. I dont believe Ive ever heard that before. Owning one, I can answer some of your questions: 1. MC ammunition is Remingtons Metal Case bullet. . Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Sniper's Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts . But my question is about install a varmint barrel. Now this difference isnt nearly as significant to shooting a deer at 300 yards as it is to hitting a gong at 1000 yards. 6.5 Grendel made a good fist of trying to balance things. Seeing as how it might fire 3-4 rounds a year to check zero and shoot deer that should extend the usefulness of the rifle another 5 years! 6mm Caliber / .243" Diameter . He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns. They are few in number, but they are there. Wear good ear protection. As the Range and Elevation columns point out, drop is twice that of the .22-250 at 300 yards, but look at that windage column (5th from left.) A lot of modern technology helped it get its primary and supporting characteristics. In fact, Tom Spithaller, Director of Sales, Olympic Arms, Inc., told me their .243 WSSM demo rifle, made in 2004, is still used regularly, and has approximately 8,000 rounds thru it. There is no one out there who is going to tell me that the .243 WSSM isnt over-bored. The Long Range Hunter is available in .300 WSM with an adjustable brake - it's enough gun. Although such technical aspects are way above my head, I know they are important to the performance of Super Short Magnum cartridges. I was disappointed, until I shot this thing and Holy-fair-dinkum it can shoot like no .243 win. The incredibly defined shoulder of the .243 WSSM is no longer the hindrance it presented to a bolt action platform. It seriously depends on what your consider long range effectiveness, but using 6 mm bullet with a measly BC sounds like a waste. %* . Whats the point? Hi! Trouble is theres not as much there for your money as youd like. The .22-250 is among the best selling of all varmint cartridges, second only to the .223 Rem. The combination of the .243 WSSM / 115-grain Very Low Drag is worthy of an in-depth analysis because the results show it to be more a far more effective option than the 6.8mm thats currently being used by the military. 243 Winchester. Im currently considering an upper in 234WSSM compared to a complete DPMS GII rifle in 243 and the up front cost and weight are my biggest concerns since I can reload. A round thats reliable in a semi auto but not a bolt gun? There, I said it: It is time to replace the AR-15. I guess people just like new things. Blairsville, Ga. Mar 16, 2009 #1 I currently do alot of varmint and coyote hunting at long ranges. Heavy barrel and the synthetic stock that I use for dogs. SKU : HP22ARMN. The low velocity also makes this cartridge prone to wind effects. I wont be change the barrel myself, but I have a buddy thats a excellent gunsmith thats gonna do it for me. Ive moved on to a cowboy assault rifle in the venerable .30-30. 3570. Pick the bullet first. Prior to the 243 Winchester's arrival, America's most versatile, light-recoil, "dual-purpose" cartridges for hunting varmints and deer were the 250-3000 Savage and 257 Roberts. .243 WSSM ( Winchester Super Short Magnum ) Load Data. Modern propellants are capable of getting burn rates and pressures at lower temperatures. Its time to move on. Compared to other factory 6mm sporting cartridges the 243 WSSM is capable of functioning in the AR-15. Savage Arms 57177 Axis II XP .243 22" 3-9x40 MATTE/FDE Synthetic Ergo STK. Heres your answer Robert, people own .243 bolt guns. Winchester Super Short Magnum, or WSSM is a line of rebated rim bottlenecked centerfire short magnum cartridges introduced by the U.S. [1] The percentage gain in performance over the older .243 Winchester is around 10% or less. The standard length action is sized for .30-06 cartridges, and magnum actions are sized for the .375 H&H class of cartridges. Full Range Speakers; Fuses & Accessories; Installation Accessories; Marine & ATV Amplifiers; . and they work just fine. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. Heavier grain bullets are probably more preferred for most game options but still 4,050+ fps! Where would I look for one at? One must take barrel twist into account depending on the type of 243 Win cartridge that is fired. A .243 WSSM is pretty close to a .243 Win in ballistics. I don't know if any of this helps or not. . Its not a 1917, but my buddy has a Mauser 98 action chambered in 500 Jeffery. When a loaded AR-15 magazine is inserted and seated in the action, the cartridge alignment is such that it is more directly in line with the chamber and the feed ramps support the rest of the chambering. So while the nay sayers are banging on about Grandads .243 I now have a 1500yd rifle for less than $1000 scoped. Increasing speed increases throat wear, copper fouling, cleaning time etc. Both significantly surpass the performances of the .223, .308., and .300 cartridges, with one exception where the .300 bucks wind better than the 95gr SBST. Considered the entry level deer hunting cartridge in Great Britain, where the Deer Act of 1963 necessitates a caliber of no less than .240 and muzzle energy of no less than 1,700 ft lbs. Chopping the action down might help, and it might not. All can be used to great effect, and are (were) in military and spec ops supply chains. 969 - 6.5-243 WSSM 1102 - 22-250 1143 - .243 WSSM 1165 - 0.243 1230 - .220 Swift 1273 - 25-06 1329 - 300 Weatherby 1358 - 223 WSSM 1499 - 264 WM 1620 - 257 Weatherby 1746 - 30-378 So yes the .223 WSSM is getting up there into legendary 264 WM barrel burning country. As importantly, am I hoping to get some attention from ammunition manufacturers on the .243 WSSM, which was truly ahead of its time. Fitch johnnyk Well-Known Member Joined Dec 24, 2001 Messages 2,441 Location Potters Hill, NC Feb 5, 2010 #3 I agree with Fitch. When it comes to reloading I get almost superstitious of anything different that might alter my accuracy. Ive had mausers and springfields and others. The .243 WSSM is also a popular long-range shooting cartridge. I hate people who see something new, something their grand-pappy didnt teach them on, and dismiss it out of hand as unnecessary. V-max .I have checked into gettig it upgraded so I can shoot the Berger 105 or 115 bullets which requires a 1in 8 twist barrel. I say sadly because the ammo cost $14 per box when I bought the gun and now $60 if you are lucky enough to find it. Ok so the holdover is like 61 meters the scope would probably aim at the barrel but seriously this cartridge can knock on .240 Weatherby Magnum territory. I will second the opinion that you should discuss this with your gunsmith. cells marked in yellow are not dangerous but indicate possible (but not . But first of all, understand how much your wife will let you spend! All the 243 WSSM factory rounds are unsuitable for long range target popping. Where to Buy Ammo Online [Complete 2021 Guide], Best Gun Cleaning Kits [AR-15, Pistol & Universal], Best Shooting Gloves [Hands-On Tested, 2021 Update], Best Universal Red Dot Sights [Hands-on Review], Best AR-10 Magazines: Ultimate Buyers Guide. From left to right: .223 WSSM, .243 WSSM, .25 WSSM, .270 WSM, 7 mm WSM, .300 WSM, .325 WSM. See target groups and more information on this 105 A-Max load. It is a lot of extra work to make into a tack driver and the smiths I have talked to say its easier to work up the 243 win. Redding 243 WSSM C-II Type S Bushing Die FL Sizer uses the same interchangeable bushings (.001" increments) as those used in our bushing style neck sizing dies. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The incredibly steep shoulders of the case from neck to fat magnum body meant it had a really hard time feeding in a bolt action platform. I realize it has very little recoil, and thats why so many new shooters buy it. The first of the majors to . The whole point is that that the OAL of the .243 WSSM would allow you to fit the rounds into an AR-15 magazine and up the mag well without hogging the crap out of the lower and upper to make it feed. .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum (WSSM) History The first ever short but wide cased 6mm cartridge to be developed was the 6mm Benchrest Remington released in 1962. Popular among metallic silhouette and long range shooters for its low recoil and high accuracy. A 1 in 9 twist .243 will stabilize the Hornady and Berger 105-107 grain VLD bullets that have b.c.s in the high 500s. Commercial bolt actions have been so reliable for so long that people who arent gunsmiths have forgotten the years and years gunsmiths spent getting magnum cartridges to feed reliably in standard actions eg, sporterized Mauser/1903/1917 actions. 243 Winchester ; 243 WSSM ; 25 ACP ; 250 Savage ; 25-06 ; 25-20 ; 270 Winchester ; 270 WSM ; 30 Carbine ; 30 Super Carry ; 300 Blackout ; . The 6mm Rem AI will also hold a little more powder than a .243 Ackley. I am sure arguments can be made against this next statement, but the introduction in 2003 of the .243 WSSM (Winchester Supper Short Magnum) gave the round about a 10% boost in key performance areas of velocity, accuracy and effective Range. The .243 Win is a tried and true cartridge that hunters have used for decades. Required fields are marked *. I've tended to like cartridges like the .243 Winchester, .243 WSSM (Winchester Super Short Magnum), the never-to-be-discarded .25-06 Remington (the best of the wildcats to go commercial), and the workhorse .308 . At 55 grains, its bullet achieves 3,910 fps; at 100 grains, 2,960 fps. Snipers using the .300 cartridge only needed about 75% elevation adjustment and 50% windage compensation compared to the .308. Yet 7mm-08 reloads have better ballistics than.well, pretty much anything made in short action class today. You need to be looking at Berger and Barnes. UPC : 753733104230. .308 youd be completely right. They had a substantial enough stock that when you put a 1907 sling on them, and then reefed down on that sling, the rifle held up and didnt go out of zero, or worse, break the stock. 130s loping along at 2560fps MV still clear over 800yrds supersonic with even less recoil. IMO, if you want to come up with a successful round for a rifle today, you start by choosing your bullet. However, its performance deteriorates at longer ranges as it decelerates with reduced wounding potential. Regardless of our stock photos, some brass may be deprimed. Surprisingly, this long range firearm can travel quite a bit of distance for a hunting rifle. 4. A G-1 of .276? Olympic Arms produced their first .243 WSSM production rifle in 2004 and included production models in their 2005 catalog. Ballistics shine as well. The biggest problem that I have found is that the winchester brass has a thick neck and is somewhat "lumpy" which requires turning the neck down on each case. SPBT bullets with 36gr of IMR 4064, and would have total confidence it shooting a deer with it. Home News .243 Win. The .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum, or .243 WSSM, is a .243in caliber sporting rifle cartridge introduced in 2003. Not your case, not your velocity, just your bullet. Today, he loves to shoot and write about his weapons. In summary, the .243 WSSM rounds shoot faster and flatter than a .300 with diminished recoil compared to the .308. Trophy Grade Long Range; Trophy Grade Safari; . But Ive spent way too much time tracking deer from new shooters who thought they missed their deer with the 243, only to find it dead a long way away after too long of a track. I have a model 70 243 wssm super shadow (plain bottom of the line model 70) I use sierra 55gr and 85gr loads. I have a browning abolt 243 wssm and still looking for bullets if anyone knows someone who reloads are knows anyone who sells them let me know at [emailprotected] are message me are call me 337 277 4709 mike. A comparison of the 243 WSSM with 243 Winchester (second from left) and with 22-250 and 223 Remington (far right). Military snipers who have always used 175-grain or 190-grain bullets may think a 115-grain is too small but in challenging winds or UKD environments, the ballistics of the .243 WSSM / 115-grain VLD cartridge gives a hit where other configurations are likely to miss. Like its father, the .243 Winchester is an efficient cartridge, and will give good velocities without being too hard on barrels. Of course, that ultra-fast 55gr will probably blow a chimpmunk apart pieces at 100y, but I dont hate chipmunks that much. 6mm Remington. First, know that the shape, mathematics, and engineering behind the case design is very important. After youve done that, compute the rifling twist necessary to stabilize the bullet, then (and only then) start figuring out how your going to launch it. Thats it. Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). The Noslers are a bit higher. I have a M70 Coyote action in .243 wssm, with a 30 in Pac Nor 1-8 twist polygonal match barrel dropped into a McMillan A2 adjustable Tac stock; glass is a Nightforce 5.5 22x56; This combo is a 1k death ray, using 107gr Sierra match kings. I consider the M16/AR-15 platform to be an embarrassment for using a sling in a proper manner unless you outfit the AR with aftermarket parts to put together a forearm on which you can actually reef down on the sling. The 243 WSSM was first introduced in 2003. Reading through blogs, forms, and rifle owners comments on the .243 WSSM, they all point to one key failure. 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